I don’t talk about sex very much. My sex life isn’t really anyone’s business. But I think a lot of us have read the post over at Manolo for the Big Girl and I’ve been doing some thinking.

Which is, of course, always dangerous.

First of all, yes, absolutely to what Plumcake says. You can’t screw your way into good self-esteem and that goes for women (and men) of all sizes and sexual orientations.

But the situation she posits in the post….

If you’re me at 22, you end up in the back of a classic Coupe DeVille (black with kid grey interior) doing the sort of disreputable but impressively acrobatic activities that cause you to think “hmm, if I ever want to run for office I’ll probably need to get this guy killed” and when you get home you feel great because even though he’s not Prince Charming, he’s a guy! and he likes you! Not just for your brains or your personality, but for your body, too, and it’s so damn NICE.

Until it isn’t.

In Plumcake’s post, it is no longer nice because the guys doesn’t call. Or doesn’t want to be in a relationship. Or any number of other not nice things. And you know? Those things don’t feel good because they are a rejection.

But if the backstory behind this situation really IS what she supposes….

And even though you suspect he’s a player and not really your type, you sigh and remind yourself how long it’s been since a man has shown interest in you and made you feel really desirable

Well, you knew he wasn’t going to call when you slept with him in the first place.

Plumcake suggests a great book – I’ve flipped through it and it really is pretty cool.

But one thing we absolutely must also do is take responsibility for our choices and pleasures. If you really are just going out to enjoy having someone find you attractive, there is no harm in that. The exploration of our personal powers of attractiveness can be a heady thing. But if you are seeking one thing and expecting to find another – like a lifelong commitment from a player that you are using for self-validation – you are setting yourself up for disappointment and hurt.

I have friends at both ends of the body spectrum and all points in between. These friends also exist along a spectrum of sexual liberty/conservatism. So I’ve got friends that are 40-year-old virgins and friends that are Ethical Sluts and, again, friends that exist at all points in between. And the people who are happy with their sexual choices, no matter where they fall on the spectrum, are the ones who own their sexuality and reject the bullshit guilt that women are supposed to feel about using their own bodies to experience pleasure.

Let’s be honest with ourselves. If you want to go find a person to make you feel beautiful, go for it (in a safe and consensual fashion). Enjoy yourself. And acknowledge that you are making a certain choice and if true love doesn’t grow out of this encounter, well, that’s okay because that’s not what you were in the game for anyway. I’m not saying true love NEVER grows in those grounds – I fully admit that there is very little which is truly impossible in our world. But if that is your goal, be up front about it. Be honest with yourself.

Find something that makes you feel good in your body. I don’t care if that is walking outside or sex with a stranger at a swinger’s club. Find something that you do that centers you firmly in your body and causes you pleasure of some sort. Then go out and do it for the plain sake of experiencing that pleasure. Don’t load it up with all of the cultural expectations we supposed to feel – don’t tack on that feeling of virtuousness because walking is healthy, for example. Revel in the pleasure of your body doing something that feels good.

That is going to do more good for your self-esteem than waiting for a phone call that isn’t going to come.


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10 Comments

  1. Posted August 28, 2007 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    YES.

    I have done what Plumcake is writing about. I have slept with people just because they didn’t find me too disgusting to fuck and then felt shitty that they didn’t want anything more. That was when I was depressed.

    I’ve also gone out intending to pull, just because it would be fun and make me feel sexy. When I’m in a (good) relationship like my current one, I get told I’m beautiful so often that I can’t help but believe it. When I’m single, it is nice to feel attractive and wanted from time to time, and good sex is a good way to get that. As long as it’s fun and nice instead of desperate and needed, it’s absolutely fine. Being in control and aware of what you’re doing is what’s key.

  2. Lisa
    Posted August 28, 2007 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    I am glad I read this post this afternoon. I’ve been going through a really rough time lately and am desperately trying to feel good about myself. I also definitely have to let go of the cultural and self-imposed expectations placed on me. I know some of the things that give me pleasure, but I am still building my self-esteem so that I don’t get crushed too easily.

  3. Posted August 28, 2007 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Been there done that. I met a man who said he liked BBWs. What he meant was he liked screwing BBWs, but didn’t want to be seen in public with them. When I figured that out (he wanted to come over for sex, then leave, never take me anywhere, never meet me anywhere), I told him thanks but no thanks, if all I want is to get my rocks off, I have toys for that. If I’m not good enough to be seen with in public, I’m not good enough to fuck. I retreated from dating and gave up on finding a man interested in a relationship (I forgot to take my personal ad off Yahoo personals, go figure). Then I met Mike (he answered my ad), who didn’t care what size I was, wanted to take me places, was proud to be seen with me. We ended up falling in love and getting married. So it is possible to meet men who don’t care about size and make you feel sexy, but it’s also important that you know, when you’re dating, that there is a big difference in sex for fun and sex for love. Both are fine, but don’t be surprised if you have sex for fun and he doesn’t call again. Then again, he might call again, it’s a matter of chemistry and meeting the right person at the right time (I met a few men who could have been right for me, but it just wasn’t the right time in my life for a serious relationship/marriage to happen).

  4. Posted August 28, 2007 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, remind me again what the heck self worth has to do with sex??

    I get so confused by this. I guess I can understand how body issues can be tied up with self esteem and sex/intimacy for some people…but I firmly believe that it’s my job to know my own boundaries around sex and relationships, and to clearly communicate them to my partner, to avoid misunderstandings or hurt feelings (on either end of the spectrum).

    Like you say, we have to take responsibility for our own choices.

  5. admin
    Posted August 28, 2007 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Well, Tari, I think a lot of women are taught that their bodies only have value in so much as men desire them. So sex is tied in with self worth that way. Rejecting that notion is a pretty radical thing!

  6. Dutchy
    Posted August 29, 2007 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    “I think a lot of women are taught that their bodies only have value in so much as men desire them. So sex is tied in with self worth that way.” Absolutely, TR! We women need to learn we don’t need a man to feel good about ourselves.

    Although in Plumcake’s case I think it wouldn’t have mattered whether she’s fat or thin (when I read her post I felt like the guy was not into a relationship period, it wasn’t really about her being fat) I actually think it kind of degrading to try to find value in a man’s approval or for that matter the man thinking you’re not hideous enough to *not* fuck and trying to find some self worth in that. God, every woman should know they’re so much more than some guy’s approval!

    *You* are good enough to choose a partner (whether for enjoyable sex or for a “real” relationship) and if the guy you choose doesn’t want you, well, then *he’s* got it all wrong, not you. I think this goes for women of all sizes. I see so many women just waiting for a guy to “pick” them, waiting for that knight in shining armour, to live happily ever after with, the Cinderella romantic bullshit. We really don’t need anyone else to be a whole person! Have you ever heard a man say he’s just waiting for the woman of his dreams before his life really starts?

  7. Posted August 29, 2007 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    I’ve been at both ends of the spectrum! I went through many years that I would have sex because I didn’t necessarily want to, but did it anyway. These days, I revel in the wild monkey sex that the boy and I have and it’s so much more freeing!!!

  8. Posted August 29, 2007 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    I think, Tari, that you describe how self-worth and sex intersect. Its not about sex providing self-worth as much as self-worth informing sex. Its maybe a matter of switching directions on that connection so you’re not seeking self-worth through sex but rather the reverse. If that makes any sense, anyway.

  9. Posted August 29, 2007 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    It’s really hard for some people to be at home in their bodies, let alone enjoy them–regardless of what philosophy they adopt on the issue. Being loved for yourself *and* your body is a radical experience some people haven’t had. I haven’t, and it’s hard sometimes to not get caught up in someone having a positive response to something you may feel is the only reason you haven’t found love yet.

    Yeah, I know it’s messed up and a choice and that I’m worth more than that. You can’t deny that there are men out there who want big women but don’t feel that their desire is culturally acceptable. They definitely use women’s poor self-esteem against them in a malicious, knowing way. All women, regardless of size, need to know that.

    Mama Gena teaches women to own themselves: personality, body, sensuality, future, and all–then take control and live the life they want. It’s about living fully, taking responsibility for your happiness, and enjoying yourself. Good advice for any woman!

  10. Posted August 30, 2007 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

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