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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by Ashbet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashbet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this comment, too!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this comment, too!  <img src='http://www.therotund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true.. Intent is not magic. Someone say&#039;s or does something that hurts another and when called on it the response is &quot;but I didn&#039;t mean it that way&quot; as if that magically erases the hurt their action caused.  It also puts the blame onto the person they hurt---so not only are they supposed to deal with being hurt but now it&#039;s their fault for receiving it that way.  It&#039;s a silencing tactic used against marginalized groups.  It&#039;s right along side &quot;it&#039;s just a joke&quot;, which leads to further remarks such as &quot;you&#039;re over sensitive&quot; and other such garbage responses and behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true.. Intent is not magic. Someone say&#8217;s or does something that hurts another and when called on it the response is &#8220;but I didn&#8217;t mean it that way&#8221; as if that magically erases the hurt their action caused.  It also puts the blame onto the person they hurt&#8212;so not only are they supposed to deal with being hurt but now it&#8217;s their fault for receiving it that way.  It&#8217;s a silencing tactic used against marginalized groups.  It&#8217;s right along side &#8220;it&#8217;s just a joke&#8221;, which leads to further remarks such as &#8220;you&#8217;re over sensitive&#8221; and other such garbage responses and behavior.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by dragon_snap</title>
		<link>http://www.therotund.com/?p=1242&#038;cpage=1#comment-31317</link>
		<dc:creator>dragon_snap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a bunch (over 15!) of awesome fat-positive (women&#039;s) fashion tumblrs, including some exclusively featuring fat WOC, check out this post on Autostraddle: http://www.autostraddle.com/rieses-team-pick-runway-revolution/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a bunch (over 15!) of awesome fat-positive (women&#8217;s) fashion tumblrs, including some exclusively featuring fat WOC, check out this post on Autostraddle: <a href="http://www.autostraddle.com/rieses-team-pick-runway-revolution/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autostraddle.com/rieses-team-pick-runway-revolution/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhhhh! Ok, that makes perfect sense. I&#039;d been wondering the same thing for several days now. I&#039;m not an activist, and honestly don&#039;t really know any activists, and so had not considered that a &quot;Oh, hey, come join us and shed some light!&quot; kind of statement would be seen as a &quot;Crap! Forgot about diversity. Um, OK, you come do the diversity for us.&quot; Someone who&#039;s been at the activism thing for awhile would probably have experienced what you described, and would therefore not be all happy and joyful at being included as an afterthought. (Did I interpret that somewhat correctlyish?)  

Perspective. It&#039;s a beautiful thing. Thank you for providing some. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhhhh! Ok, that makes perfect sense. I&#8217;d been wondering the same thing for several days now. I&#8217;m not an activist, and honestly don&#8217;t really know any activists, and so had not considered that a &#8220;Oh, hey, come join us and shed some light!&#8221; kind of statement would be seen as a &#8220;Crap! Forgot about diversity. Um, OK, you come do the diversity for us.&#8221; Someone who&#8217;s been at the activism thing for awhile would probably have experienced what you described, and would therefore not be all happy and joyful at being included as an afterthought. (Did I interpret that somewhat correctlyish?)  </p>
<p>Perspective. It&#8217;s a beautiful thing. Thank you for providing some. <img src='http://www.therotund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by Medea</title>
		<link>http://www.therotund.com/?p=1242&#038;cpage=1#comment-31298</link>
		<dc:creator>Medea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a pair of videos I love that seem applicable here.  The one is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/07/how_to_tell_people_they_sound.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;How to Tell People They Sound Racist&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, and the other is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.illdoctrine.com/2011/11/my_tedx_talk_how_i_stopped_wor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love Discussing Race&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, both from the blog ill Doctrine.  The first video is exactly what the title states--advice for someone calling out racism in someone else.  The second hits the other side of the equation--how to be called out.

For my part, I can remember a time when I was of the &quot;if you don&#039;t like what I&#039;m doing, tell me what you want done about it&quot; crowd.  Then some life happened and I became a mentally ill woman in a male-dominated profession.  There&#039;s nothing like an invisible, stigmatized disability and a 50-hour work week in which the only other woman is the janitor to give me some perspective on privilege and lack thereof.

Most people aren&#039;t malicious.  They&#039;re just thoughtless.  But what people sometimes miss is that while thoughtlessness is an explanation, it&#039;s not an excuse.  I&#039;m still responsible for my words and actions even if--&lt;em&gt;especially&lt;/em&gt; if--I didn&#039;t think first.  I can&#039;t take back the words I spoke without thinking, but I can at least &lt;em&gt;start&lt;/em&gt; thinking now that I&#039;ve spoken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a pair of videos I love that seem applicable here.  The one is <a href="http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/07/how_to_tell_people_they_sound.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;How to Tell People They Sound Racist&#8221;</a>, and the other is <a href="http://www.illdoctrine.com/2011/11/my_tedx_talk_how_i_stopped_wor.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love Discussing Race&#8221;</a>, both from the blog ill Doctrine.  The first video is exactly what the title states&#8211;advice for someone calling out racism in someone else.  The second hits the other side of the equation&#8211;how to be called out.</p>
<p>For my part, I can remember a time when I was of the &#8220;if you don&#8217;t like what I&#8217;m doing, tell me what you want done about it&#8221; crowd.  Then some life happened and I became a mentally ill woman in a male-dominated profession.  There&#8217;s nothing like an invisible, stigmatized disability and a 50-hour work week in which the only other woman is the janitor to give me some perspective on privilege and lack thereof.</p>
<p>Most people aren&#8217;t malicious.  They&#8217;re just thoughtless.  But what people sometimes miss is that while thoughtlessness is an explanation, it&#8217;s not an excuse.  I&#8217;m still responsible for my words and actions even if&#8211;<em>especially</em> if&#8211;I didn&#8217;t think first.  I can&#8217;t take back the words I spoke without thinking, but I can at least <em>start</em> thinking now that I&#8217;ve spoken.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by This Week In Fatness II &#8211; Axis of Fat</title>
		<link>http://www.therotund.com/?p=1242&#038;cpage=1#comment-31286</link>
		<dc:creator>This Week In Fatness II &#8211; Axis of Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kirby has something to say about the intersection of race and fat. Shannon talks about this issue from a personal perspective. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by Naamah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naamah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  I think so too.  I just think it&#039;s important to acknowledge that an absence of hostility doesn&#039;t necessarily make a place inviting.  I&#039;ve left plenty of parties because I was bored/being ignored/felt uncomfortable being the only [x] in the room, even though there was zero open hostility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  I think so too.  I just think it&#8217;s important to acknowledge that an absence of hostility doesn&#8217;t necessarily make a place inviting.  I&#8217;ve left plenty of parties because I was bored/being ignored/felt uncomfortable being the only [x] in the room, even though there was zero open hostility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by thirtiesgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>thirtiesgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had interactions with Atchka on a size acceptance FB group.  My experience of him - how he interacted with me and other members in the group - was to make every comment or criticism all about him, 99% of the time.  I&#039;ve also read about other people&#039;s interactions with him in the size acceptance community, particularly women, and it&#039;s been largely negative.  My impression of the guy is that he has a lot of good intentions, advocating for and bringing to light many size acceptance issues, but there&#039;s some kind of imbalance that gets in the way and leads him to choose actions that are not to his benefit, and don&#039;t really benefit anyone else.

After reading the NoLose letter, if it was criticizing anyone in particular, it was Marilyn Wann.  I didn&#039;t read any criticism of Atchka in that letter at all.  But based on my previous interactions with him, it seems par for the course for him to take it personally and make it all about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had interactions with Atchka on a size acceptance FB group.  My experience of him &#8211; how he interacted with me and other members in the group &#8211; was to make every comment or criticism all about him, 99% of the time.  I&#8217;ve also read about other people&#8217;s interactions with him in the size acceptance community, particularly women, and it&#8217;s been largely negative.  My impression of the guy is that he has a lot of good intentions, advocating for and bringing to light many size acceptance issues, but there&#8217;s some kind of imbalance that gets in the way and leads him to choose actions that are not to his benefit, and don&#8217;t really benefit anyone else.</p>
<p>After reading the NoLose letter, if it was criticizing anyone in particular, it was Marilyn Wann.  I didn&#8217;t read any criticism of Atchka in that letter at all.  But based on my previous interactions with him, it seems par for the course for him to take it personally and make it all about him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Letter to myself by mmmajestic: TW: light conversation on the topic disordered&#8230; &#124; Chub Republic</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmmajestic: TW: light conversation on the topic disordered&#8230; &#124; Chub Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about this?   Lesley Kinzel wrote about it here and here  Marianne Kirby wrote about it here, here, here, here, here and here  Kate Harding wrote about it here, here, here and here  we love all of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about this?   Lesley Kinzel wrote about it here and here  Marianne Kirby wrote about it here, here, here, here, here and here  Kate Harding wrote about it here, here, here and here  we love all of [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear White Fat People by Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such an important conversation to have and I&#039;m glad for this post addressing the contemptuous racism that has been spouted by and defended by some in the fat-acceptance community in response to the letter from NoLose.   Using racist language and denying racism exists is not the way to show one is not a racist… Oh, and those who defend that person engaging in racism?...They’re racist. 
  
Being called out on one’s white-privilege, for those not used to being asked to check their privilege can be quite painful and it’s understandable to feel defensive.  But if one is part of a marginalized group of people, which fat people are, then it’s not unreasonable to expect that person to be able to look into why they were called out on their privilege and why they’re feeling defensive.  It’s the racist reaction to the letter and defensive hostility and refusal to acknowledge any wrongdoing that say’s to me that this person is a fauxgressive and not an ally. 
   
So what I’ve seen so far in reading various blogs about this----a derail of every kind from denying racism and white privilege exists to “concerns” about tone, (which I always find amusing as it’s usually always used against the marginalized group of people—not the offenders).  There was sexism by referring, under the guise of a question, to the women who defended the man, who spouted such racism, as mindless groupies.  That is a silencing tactic used against women all the time.  So again, not such a great response to call someone out on their racism with sexist fail.  
  
There’s a lot of intersectionality between marginalized groups.  And spouting some garbage fail and then saying “Well, I’m fat,  or I’m black or I’m a woman or I’m gay, and I don’t find this offensive or I don’t have a problem with it”,  does not negate that the behavior is indeed racist or anti-gay or anti-woman etc.  After all there are a lot of right-wing conservative women who work to take away my and other women’s rights and women who find rape jokes funny.  That doesn’t mean that rape jokes don’t continue to assist in normalizing violence against women, in the same way gay jokes normalize violence against gay and transgendered people, and so on.   It’s the same when fat people say “fat is the last acceptable prejudice”… Really?... There is a War on Women going on against our reproductive rights, 1 in 6 women are raped, 1 in 3 are sexually harassed and/or attacked.  Just a few days ago a black youth was murdered because he was black.  So fat is not really the last acceptable prejudice.  And those groups of people I mentioned are not mutually exclusive because intersectionality means that a person can be part of privileged and marginalized groups…several at one time. 
  
From my perspective some people refuse to see that the letter was addressing an overall concern about white privilege and it used the Stand4Kids protest to illustrate their point. Indeed it may be that was what sparked the letter to begin with but the letter goes beyond that protest to address a social norm of deeply ingrained white privilege.  Considering the massive fail that is the Kony 2012 video just a week or so ago, it’s a timely letter and a much needed conversation.  I’m just sorry that it dissolved into people taking it as a personal attack and refusing to acknowledge that it had gone beyond their personal interaction.  It is one marginalized group reaching out to another marginalized group to say there’s something you need to be aware of and check your privilege.  That’s a good thing as it helps us to evolve to engender social justice for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an important conversation to have and I&#8217;m glad for this post addressing the contemptuous racism that has been spouted by and defended by some in the fat-acceptance community in response to the letter from NoLose.   Using racist language and denying racism exists is not the way to show one is not a racist… Oh, and those who defend that person engaging in racism?&#8230;They’re racist. </p>
<p>Being called out on one’s white-privilege, for those not used to being asked to check their privilege can be quite painful and it’s understandable to feel defensive.  But if one is part of a marginalized group of people, which fat people are, then it’s not unreasonable to expect that person to be able to look into why they were called out on their privilege and why they’re feeling defensive.  It’s the racist reaction to the letter and defensive hostility and refusal to acknowledge any wrongdoing that say’s to me that this person is a fauxgressive and not an ally. </p>
<p>So what I’ve seen so far in reading various blogs about this&#8212;-a derail of every kind from denying racism and white privilege exists to “concerns” about tone, (which I always find amusing as it’s usually always used against the marginalized group of people—not the offenders).  There was sexism by referring, under the guise of a question, to the women who defended the man, who spouted such racism, as mindless groupies.  That is a silencing tactic used against women all the time.  So again, not such a great response to call someone out on their racism with sexist fail.  </p>
<p>There’s a lot of intersectionality between marginalized groups.  And spouting some garbage fail and then saying “Well, I’m fat,  or I’m black or I’m a woman or I’m gay, and I don’t find this offensive or I don’t have a problem with it”,  does not negate that the behavior is indeed racist or anti-gay or anti-woman etc.  After all there are a lot of right-wing conservative women who work to take away my and other women’s rights and women who find rape jokes funny.  That doesn’t mean that rape jokes don’t continue to assist in normalizing violence against women, in the same way gay jokes normalize violence against gay and transgendered people, and so on.   It’s the same when fat people say “fat is the last acceptable prejudice”… Really?&#8230; There is a War on Women going on against our reproductive rights, 1 in 6 women are raped, 1 in 3 are sexually harassed and/or attacked.  Just a few days ago a black youth was murdered because he was black.  So fat is not really the last acceptable prejudice.  And those groups of people I mentioned are not mutually exclusive because intersectionality means that a person can be part of privileged and marginalized groups…several at one time. </p>
<p>From my perspective some people refuse to see that the letter was addressing an overall concern about white privilege and it used the Stand4Kids protest to illustrate their point. Indeed it may be that was what sparked the letter to begin with but the letter goes beyond that protest to address a social norm of deeply ingrained white privilege.  Considering the massive fail that is the Kony 2012 video just a week or so ago, it’s a timely letter and a much needed conversation.  I’m just sorry that it dissolved into people taking it as a personal attack and refusing to acknowledge that it had gone beyond their personal interaction.  It is one marginalized group reaching out to another marginalized group to say there’s something you need to be aware of and check your privilege.  That’s a good thing as it helps us to evolve to engender social justice for all of us.</p>
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